Blackhearted Pirate Lee:
In addition, the decline of the labor movement has crippled the unions' ability to shape public policy that currently shifts the tax burden away from the rich resulting in shrinking revenues for health care, education and infrastructure projects that benefit the middle class.
Wayne:
Unions drove the three largest employers out of Racine with high wages and benefits demands.
Look at the UAW and what they did to Ford etc. $25+ to put on 4 bolts is insane.
The Teacher Unions only insure that those who do not care about kids keep their jobs and not allow those who do to teach. In Milwaukee less then 50% of Black kids get out of high school the teacher unions prevent change. Please do not tell me about large unions.
I also do not believe the 58% want to join unions. If that was indeed true unions would be gaining members not losing them. Also we would see more Dems elected into office.
For far too long big unions has been big business.
Blackhearted Pirate Lee:
OK. Where is Tampico? Isn’t he back YET? Lol
Orion Blaster:
A bit misleading as 401K, IRAs, and other retirement plans actually own most of the corporate stock and while managed by big banks and financial companies the stock is owned by the middle-class but they cannot touch it until retirement.Also if a poor person working in the USA for minimum wage, they are considered rich in a third world nation like Thailand, Vietnam, Mexico, etc who usually earn like $100 to $300 a month, instead of $1200 a month in the USA. Over ten times the money a third world poor person earns if you consider most third world nations have poor people that earn $100 or less a month in some sweat shop making goods to be sold to the USA. I've been outside of the USA, so I know that. It is one of the main reasons why third world nations hate the USA because even our poorest citizens are considered rich in their nations. But their poor go without heat, electricity, TV, and have to beg for food most of the time, while our poor earn ten times as much and microwave food they buy or get food stamps for while watching Cable TV and driving an economy car.I think the main problem is that a lot of good paying jobs in the USA require higher education and not everyone can afford college. Plus a lot of good paying jobs get offshored to other countries and people who used to work in factories are now working minimum wage jobs in retail stores or restaurants. A lot of computer and engineering people I know, for example work for Wal-Mart now because those jobs got offshored to Asia by Clinton and when Bush took over he did nothing to fix that by raise the level of H1B Visas for people to come to the USA and work computer and engineering jobs for close to minimum wage, cheaper than a US citizen will work. It seems for every high paying job that gets eliminated, a low paying job in retail, food, or services gets created. So unless one works for a union or gets promoted to management, they are going to keep losing income unless they are lucky enough to have a job for life (like a federal government job that is almost like communism as they allow federal employees to goof off and not get fired and waste tax payers dollars until they retire and earn a pension, but not all federal employees are like that, but some of them are).
We even have a new class of homeless people now, white collar homeless, people who used to work high paying white collar jobs but got fired or got sick and lost them as a result.Due to Enron, and the Dotcom scandals they created new millionaires and billionaires, but did so by swindling a lot of people out of money by investing in a company that earns no income or cooks the books so it appears to be profitable and then people bail out by selling stock before they crash and it ruins pension funds, 401Ks, IRAs, and eventually hits banks and ruins mortgages by lowering property prices and destroying jobs so people cannot make house payments anymore. Then the government bails out banks like Bear Sterns by printing up billions thus causing inflation and raising the prices of everything. Plus now that we are fighting wars over oil, and oil supply is getting less as consumption goes up fuel prices go up as well. Not helping is the global warming movement that is putting carbon taxes on anything that uses carbon, and soon the USA will pass carbon taxes causing carbon fuel to go up and auto prices to go up.
In my area the country passed a new law that forces everyone to recycle which doubled our trash bill now, and disabled, and retired people and people living on a fixed income are discriminated against because they cannot afford the increases to the trash bill, and it cuts back their medicine, food, and house money so now some bills they cannot pay or have a hard time paying. Plus since the government supports ethanol, the price of corn went up, which increased the price of meat that are fed corn, and now some farms are defaulting on loans due to the price of feed. I'm all for fighting global warming, but not at the cost of raising the price of everything and discriminating against the poor. By the time we get a carbon tax on gas, prices should be $7 a gallon, and I don't think the poor can afford that.Sad to say but I think within the next 30 years or so, if something isn't done to fix the economy and prices, we may have a second civil war on our hands.
Blackhearted Pirate Lee:
That's why we are planning to get out. I dont know about a civil war, maybe a domestic war and 30 years is way too long I think. We will have a rebellion by the end of 8 years if the same person stays in the Presidency. A total collapse may take as much as 30 to 50 years but I think its warm right now and we are going to stand up to soaring prices soon just because we cant adjust to that swift rise prices. We know what the right price for an item should be. Most of us are shocked every time we go out of the house. Many middle class and upper people can absorb the swift changes of prices but many cant.
Nice to have you onboard. Talk like this is our mainstay. Anyway we must keep thinking to avoid being lead by richies.
Tampico:
Since FDR there has been a certain mindset about the use of government to steal money and resources from productive people and transfer these resources to the non-productive people. This is what Ayn Rand responded to and she developed the notion that FDR democrats were essentially looters. She was right at the time. A lot of people who agreed with the need to battle looters joined the GOP including such greats as Goldwater and Reagan. The unions joined the looters and the academics joined the looters. It was simple back then -- just join the GOP and oppose the looters. If you listen to talk radio you would think that these conditions still exist. Looters still exist, this is true, but things began to change when George HW Bush became president and when the GOP won Congress in 1994. It was not so bad that the GOP won Congress in 1994 until Newt was destroyed. Newt kept the GOP on the straight and narrow and would have never allowed the GOP to become a looter party too. Clinton and Gore were the first to talk about "cooperation" between the private and public sectors. Clinton basically abandoned the looters after the 1994 elections, sent Hillary to Kosovo and decided that he could expand government more easily by turning the corporations into looters. Clinton was greatly affected by losing the 1994 mid-terms and he blamed Hillary's mishandling of the universal health care issue and the attacks of Rush and the rest of talk radio. He knew that he had to corrupt the GOP to save his statist agenda. Clinton is the one who started corporate welfare. It was during the Clinton administration that government "investment"in the private sector became significant. Daddy Bush started it, but Clinton saw its corrupting potential. Corporations quickly bought into the notion that their real enemies were not looters, but were competitors from the ranks of small business. Corporations started investing heavily in politics in exchange for being allowed to help write legislation.Then came George W. Bush. For the first seven years of his presidency he has allowed and even encouraged GOP legislators to become looters. Some even say that the Iraq war is a form of corporate welfare. Many industries, like the seafood industry, are now heavily regulated by laws that were written by the corporations that dominate the industries. Draft legislation by Mrs.Paul "protects" our seafood (makes it extremely difficult for small business to become big in the seafood industry). Both parties are now the enemies of the productive person. They are both dogs trying to eat our productivity. It does not matter who eats your liver as much as it matters that your liver gets eaten. The only hope would have been for Ron Paul to win and get the country back to the constitution. This is not going to happen. The Collapse will ironically be the savior of the country because now the only way to kill the leeches is to allow the host to die.
Orion Blaster:
Sadly that is how capitalism and communism work, non-productive people steal wealth from the productive people. Be it Executive management, the Communist party, political leaders, or just team members who pass on their work to co-workers. While a majority of us are productive and actually get work done, we move the economy and help create jobs while everyone else just sits around and collects money and figures out ways to get us to work harder and work longer for no extra pay while they either take credit for our work or profit from it. In communism, the non-productive people are in the communist party and get all the perks and wealth while those who aren't in the communist party do most of the work. I have to say I used to be a computer programmer, and all I ever did was make others rich. I fixed the problems that incompetent coworkers had with their programs, I wrote programs for insane speculations that managers had and everyone else said couldn't be done. The software I wrote was worth millions, held patents, and saved the companies millions of dollars in saved expenses as before they had waste and mistakes that cost them clients and extra work. Though I innovated and invented a lot of the software, by employment contract the company got all rights and I had almost nothing to show for it. But when it all comes down to it the non-productive people play politics to keep their jobs and find new ways to blame others for their own mistakes. Getting tired of me showing them up, they figured that they could do what they could to force me to quit and failing that stress me out enough to get sick. When that didn't work they did what they could to make up stuff about me to get management to fire me. But that was a mistake as once I was gone, there was nobody left to fix their mistakes and eventually their software became buggy, bloated, and crashed a lot. I read on the Microsoft newsgroups the problems they had and they begged people to help them fix them. I couldn't be there when the fireworks went off, and the crap hit the fan, but I imagine the same thing will happen to the USA when most of the productive people are out of work and only the non-productive people remain. Offworking work to India or hiring H1B Visa workers don't help either, and I highly doubt that executive managers can learn how to fix computers or write good software when there is nobody else left to fire to save their companies. I'm glad that I don't work for anybody or any company any more.
That is about the way it is now in the US workplace. Young people are getting in having learned almost nothing from college and thinking that they know everything and not learning from their mistakes and bad actions and decisions just like most managers do now. I feel sorry for the people that are actually productive and carrying the companies they work for, because they are over worked, getting health issues, and only making non-productive people rich. It isn't only the government now with non-productive people doing the looting. It is corporations as well. Remember Enron, all of the productive people suffered while the non-productive people looted it and went to live on some island while pension plans and stock turned to dust and shareholders got shafted. Not like the Pirate way where everyone gets their own fair share of the profits based on the work they do and their position as well as carry their own fair share of the work. It almost makes me want to write up a new form of business management called pirate management in which everyone is productive and carries their own weight from bottom to top.
Tampico:
I have grappled with these types of issues too, Orion; but I have come to believe that there will always be inequities in all activities. Companies are only as good as their shareholders and managers are basically leeches in many cases. I think most libertarians and anarchists just accept this part of human nature and concentrate on the issue of inequities pertaining to violence. All taxation is done with violence or implied violence. If I work for a company or patronize a company where I am screwed in one way or another then at least I know I am doing so voluntarily. Nobody has ever forced me through a drive-thru by waving me off a street with automatic weapons in hand. If I consistently get incorrect change or incorrect orders at a McDonalds then I can choose not to deal with the McDonalds. I do not have choice when it comes to taxes. If agri-business gets $50 billion next year from the government then agribusiness is basically having the government take money from me with weapons and the money is being given to them. Leeches are everywhere. We cannot hope to get rid of them. All we can hope to do is disarm them by not letting them take advantage of the police power of the state.FDR trashed our system by looting on behalf of poor people. Perhaps his intentions were good, but the real damage might just now be showing up as the corporations figure out that they can loot too. The more people study the depression, though, the more people realize that none of FDRs programs helped us get out of the depression. Only WW2 did that. If anything, the increased taxation of the era probably kept the depression going fromn 1934-1940. Without all the socialist nonsense the depression would likely have ended naturally by 1935. As annoying as socialist zombies are, they are not the biggest threat to our civilization. Fascists are. Fascists will use the police power of the state to seize taxes and then just use them to increase their own wealth. Well meaning socialists always lead to failure but the worst failures occur when they are coopted by people trying to make an unearned profit or people trying to promote a particular oligarchy. Often the socialist themselves just become corrupted and switch to being fascists. Libertarian civilizations work best, but when a civilization becomes totally infected with looters then it is a waste of time to be a libertarian. The good citizen must switch to becoming an anarchist and the civilization must be destroyed in order to kill the infection. When the GOP chose McCain it was a signal that the looters now control both parties. Ron Paul was dismissed as the crazy uncle. Reagan conservatives/Goldwater conservatives have been dismissed along with their impure but still powerful libertarian instincts. You saw this in the defeat of Duncan Hunter. Romney had some libertarian instincts but, sadly, his globalism would have eventually undermined our freedoms anyway. One thing I think we are seeing in this group is the difference between my views and those of Pirate Ronald. I greatly admire PirateRonald and, until recently, I have felt like we were always in agreement on basic political issues. Now I am coming to believe thatPirate Ronald is too optimistic about the possibility of salvaging the US. I am not asking Pirate Ronald to change because I think the difference in our views are interesting, but I naturally think that my views are correct. My view is that it is now too late for the US. Both parties and the media are now statists. So Pirate Ronald iss truggling to prevent the collapse of the system by using his influence within the GOP while I say it is now necessary to have a Collapse to kill the looter infection and begin the rebuilding process.
Orion Blaster:
Yes life isn't fair and some people got it easier than others. I'm glad that I am out of the workforce and working for myself. Less stress that way and much healthier as well. As I said most of our problems in the USA are caused by people not learning from their mistakes and making the same bad actions and behaviors over and over again. It will get to the point where the government won't be able to bail most people out anymore and not be able to save banks or companies from going under either. I think it can be fixed but only if a majority of the population decides to start taking responsibility for their own actions and behaviors and learn from their mistakes and learn to live within their means and choose spiritual things like freedom, love, hope, change, compassion, mercy, forgiveness instead of material things like money, wealth, power, songs, movies, bling, designer clothing, etc and getting so deep into debt that they cannot afford to make house or auto payments. They also need to learn that they cannot count on the government to bail them out every time and learn to become independent and learn how to survive on their own. But as psychology says you cannot change a person unless they want to change.Yeah I know vote for Ron Paul so we can get freedom back and save the country even if it means we have to be poorer and some of us have to fail and so do banks and business fail and people have to go without jobs for a while so we can finally fix what is wrong with our nation. Because we cannot save everyone in order that we save the country. But as I said most people make bad actions and bad decisions and will choose material things over spiritual ones, because over the past hundred years or so most people vote for the politicians that will put more money in their own pockets and do so to put wealth over freedom or security over freedom. There is no need to become an anarchist, because people making bad decisions and having bad behavior and not learning from their mistakes are what is causing the anarchy in our economy and government. I don't really think that we have a choice in the matter it is not a matter of if the economy and government will fail, it is more the matter of when. The USA has become the modern version of the Roman Empire and is headed for a fall because it has gotten too big, its population avoids responsibility and depends on the government too much, it waged too many wars that drained the economy, and like the Roman Empire the USA is being overrun with barbarians (the Romans considered anyone who wasn't a Roman citizen as a barbarian but the USA term is illegal alien or undocumented worker or whatever) that use up more resources and take away more jobs from the citizens and also don't pay taxes either.Like the US comedian and philosopher Ron White is known to say "You can't fix stupid." Most US citizens have been, to say the least, stupid in their lifestyle and decisions and actions and been very narcissistic only thinking of themselves as individuals, when they should be thinking about the group as a whole and what benefits the whole nation and not just themselves. Sadly when the US economy finally tanks, so will the global economy as well. Most things are tagged to the value of the US Dollar, once that goes under you will have ruined economies almost everywhere.
Pirate Ronald:
Responding specifically to:"One thing I think we are seeing in this group is the difference between my views and those of Pirate Ronald. I greatly admire Pirate Ronald and, until recently, I have felt like we were always inagreement on basic political issues. Now I am coming to believe that Pirate Ronald is too optimistic about the possibility of salvaging the US. I am not asking Pirate Ronald to change because I think the difference in our views are interesting, but I naturally think that my views are correct. My view is that it is now too late for the US. Both parties and the media are now statists. So Pirate Ronald is struggling to prevent the collapse of the system by using his influence within the GOP while I say it is now necessary to have a Collapse to kill the looter infection and begin the rebuilding process." -- Tampico Jack
The collapse will create a void where it is theoretically possible to rebuild as the knowledge and skills will still exist and be unhindered by parasitic schemes. But, there exists another problem which would tend to deny the rugged individualist type from the opportunity to rebuild.This is what I wrote in previous posts:"We need sound economic policies or an economic collapse will not only be devastating in itself, but it will create conditions where our government fails in it's role to protect our sovereignty and our Nation from foreign aggression. Just as the Russian military overnight went from superpower status to widely considered (not by me) irrelevant, so can our military might. Then we won't have a chance to recover from our mistakes because the nature of the world,contrary to the belief of many, is quite hostile and nations conquer nations just as has been for all of history until our influence has only appeared to make the world nicer and even with our superpower influence, there has still been plenty of war and invasions of nations." -- Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:48 pm Pirate Ronald
"It is ironic and funny though sad that the alien invasion and minorities who are exploiting our "tolerance" to get things instead of participating in creating prosperity will be displaced by the Chinese who have the numbers to outvote them or otherwise take over once traditional successful ways of our heritage of our United Statesof America is outvoted." -- Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:04 pm Pirate Ronald
"In civil discussion and in our polite society we give the other the benefit of the doubt that they don't have an hostile agenda, but let's not forget world history of thousands of years of hundreds of Nations. The reality is that the world is quite hostile. We all would be experiencing that personally except for our present strength as a Nation. Try to imagine what life would be like under a conquering Nation. We have been blessed to live our lives greatly isolated from the hostilities of the world. The world is hostile." -- Sat Sep 27,2003 3:51 pm Pirate Ronald
Saturday, April 12, 2008
Monday, March 24, 2008
Key Excerpts from a Pirate Ronald post
Inland wilderness locations accessible by sailboat appeal to me. This opens up lots of choices without needing to own the land or anyone being there to even know which also attracts me particularly because I choose alternatives to perils and compromises of principles of fighting what would soon cease to exist anyway. There will be a time for me to step aside from society as it does what it will on a scale that would dwarf my efforts to change it. I do have a sense of moral obligation and I devote my energies and resources to prevention of what is to come by political activism and supporting the Ron Paul movement including helping to get Ron Paul supporters elected to be our public servants.
One of the puzzles that sea based mobility solves for me is the ability to participate in society when beneficial yet disappear from it when prudent. With sailboats, a group can visit a town and trade or even settle in for a time yet have the option of disappearing.
That solves a troublesome flaw in a long ago since abandoned previous desire to have a secret underground dwelling not too far from society. The problem is that once discovered it is no longer secret. In sharp contrast, the location of a fleet of sailboats can be discovered one day and hostile visitors can come the next only to find it gone.
One of my favorite capabilities of sea based mobility is the ability to rendezvous with proven freedom lovers who fight the fight of prevention of what we are about to experience. We are among them and in many places and we would help escape from what becomes an undesirable area and move to areas of advantage. In the dynamics of future changes, it will be impossible for us to predict which places will have the worst of problems and which areas are great opportunities.
Having the capability to help my fellow Ron Paul supporters be among the survivors matters greatly to me. Those who love our Constitutional republic form of representative self-government and work to keep it are very important as they will work to restore it at whatever strongholds of freedom exist after what comes next fails.
In moving people and supplies, I particularly like that sailboats have cargo capability and can take many passengers. It is a great feature that the route over water isn't confined like the road routes over land and that there is almost zero population at sea.
One of the puzzles that sea based mobility solves for me is the ability to participate in society when beneficial yet disappear from it when prudent. With sailboats, a group can visit a town and trade or even settle in for a time yet have the option of disappearing.
That solves a troublesome flaw in a long ago since abandoned previous desire to have a secret underground dwelling not too far from society. The problem is that once discovered it is no longer secret. In sharp contrast, the location of a fleet of sailboats can be discovered one day and hostile visitors can come the next only to find it gone.
One of my favorite capabilities of sea based mobility is the ability to rendezvous with proven freedom lovers who fight the fight of prevention of what we are about to experience. We are among them and in many places and we would help escape from what becomes an undesirable area and move to areas of advantage. In the dynamics of future changes, it will be impossible for us to predict which places will have the worst of problems and which areas are great opportunities.
Having the capability to help my fellow Ron Paul supporters be among the survivors matters greatly to me. Those who love our Constitutional republic form of representative self-government and work to keep it are very important as they will work to restore it at whatever strongholds of freedom exist after what comes next fails.
In moving people and supplies, I particularly like that sailboats have cargo capability and can take many passengers. It is a great feature that the route over water isn't confined like the road routes over land and that there is almost zero population at sea.
Sunday, March 23, 2008
Some remarks about #1
Blackhearted Pirate Lee (regarding my dropping to one major post):
OK, if it is time constraints, then that is fair enough.
Blackhearted Pirate Lee (regarding the kite dogfight directions):
Lady Drake, there is that SANGER word again. There is more to this word than just a name. There is a significance that is related to shipping for some reason or other.
Blackhearted Pirate Lee (regarding possible Neo-Swashbuckler riots in Denver):
Do we still have the word Democracy as a working word? I ran into a Canadian who thinks we are going to turn more into what the Roman Empire looked like. Well, if that didn't work and Democracy doesn't work, then someone better get thinking of a better way.
Orion Blaster:
Aye I agree, the US economy is doomed. We have gone deep in debt for over eight years now, owe most of it to China. Plus people in the USA are spending more than they earn and driving up debt. After they can't make house payments the government bails them out. Apple and iTunes rake in billions each year and give some of it to the RIAA and MPAA for song and movie sales, and people keep buying more songs and movies and don't have money left over to pay bills and get their car repoed and their house foreclosed. There be no such thing as personal responsibility any more either, and this harms the economy as well. Rather than let people face the consequences of their bad actions and behaviors and let them suffer for making bad choices, our government instead subsidies them through deficit spending and bailing out banks that are doing stupid things live giving countless loans to people with bad credit who always default on payments anyway. When even our banks do stupid stuff, you know the economy is going to tumble. All the fed is trying to do is lower interest rates and bail out banks so that they can pump up the stock market to avoid another great depression. FDR's New Deal actually made the depression worse because they had funded social programs by printing up more money and causing inflation like Bush and Company are doing right now. I warned people about this before and they laughed at me. I told them the price of food and fuel will go up and the housing market will burst and banks will start failing. It is no laughing matter, and unless something is done by 2012 to 2017 when a majority of baby boomers retire we will have more people retired than are working jobs, and the US economy will get even worse then, unless they can bring in more immigrants to work jobs and pay taxes. Because we aren't having enough babies born to replace the baby boomers when they retire since the 1960's thanks to birth control and abortion lowering our population growth.
Plus people are living longer thanks to advanced medicine.I'd suggest buying gold and silver, but gold prices went down recently. It might be smarter to buy weapons, make a bunker with food and water in it and fight off looters when the US economy finally busts and a majority of the people either throw a revolution (ala 1917's Russia Communist Revolution) or become looters trying to steal your things.Democrats and Republicans are puppets for their masters in Europe, and do everything they can to ruin the US economy to build up the EU and replace the dollar with the Euro. It is a Secular Humanist Cabal located in the Netherlands or Belgium that some people call the New World Order or Illuminati. They already control the EU and soon the US. This is just a theory, mind you, but it seems to make sense.
Tampico:
Orion, I agree that individuals have foolishly gone in debt and that the US has been wreckless with debt the last few years. These two things have happened before in US history for various reasons butt his seems different. My point about these people being smart and well educated was that I think this is not all accidents of a stupid government. I think that the wrecking of the dollar is intentional and that Blackhearted Pirate Lee might be right by implying that what they really want is for American people to suffer so much that they start clamoring for the Amero as an alternative. Such a conspiracy meets my criteria for a plausable conspiracy because it would involve a dozen people or fewer.Individuals should pay off credit cards and car loans. Individuals should also plant gardens and get milk producing goats. People should not buy real estate yet and, intead of investing directly in gold or other metals, I think investments in gold and silver mining will be one of the few winners.
Wayne:
I love this group and the wide range of thought.
Blackhearted Pirate Lee:
The Amero is already planned, drawn up, molded and ready for disbursement. Love your green backs. The next money is bland and doesn't work for you. Everything is light compared to the dark that is to beset us.
Wayne:
I am in agreement that as many of us that can should plant Victory Gardens and take other steps to become self-reliant as possible. If the powers that be want to see a civil war the North American Union would do it.
Blackhearted Pirate Lee:
Could this also be called the coming of a once and future Revolutionary war?
OK, if it is time constraints, then that is fair enough.
Blackhearted Pirate Lee (regarding the kite dogfight directions):
Lady Drake, there is that SANGER word again. There is more to this word than just a name. There is a significance that is related to shipping for some reason or other.
Blackhearted Pirate Lee (regarding possible Neo-Swashbuckler riots in Denver):
Do we still have the word Democracy as a working word? I ran into a Canadian who thinks we are going to turn more into what the Roman Empire looked like. Well, if that didn't work and Democracy doesn't work, then someone better get thinking of a better way.
Orion Blaster:
Aye I agree, the US economy is doomed. We have gone deep in debt for over eight years now, owe most of it to China. Plus people in the USA are spending more than they earn and driving up debt. After they can't make house payments the government bails them out. Apple and iTunes rake in billions each year and give some of it to the RIAA and MPAA for song and movie sales, and people keep buying more songs and movies and don't have money left over to pay bills and get their car repoed and their house foreclosed. There be no such thing as personal responsibility any more either, and this harms the economy as well. Rather than let people face the consequences of their bad actions and behaviors and let them suffer for making bad choices, our government instead subsidies them through deficit spending and bailing out banks that are doing stupid things live giving countless loans to people with bad credit who always default on payments anyway. When even our banks do stupid stuff, you know the economy is going to tumble. All the fed is trying to do is lower interest rates and bail out banks so that they can pump up the stock market to avoid another great depression. FDR's New Deal actually made the depression worse because they had funded social programs by printing up more money and causing inflation like Bush and Company are doing right now. I warned people about this before and they laughed at me. I told them the price of food and fuel will go up and the housing market will burst and banks will start failing. It is no laughing matter, and unless something is done by 2012 to 2017 when a majority of baby boomers retire we will have more people retired than are working jobs, and the US economy will get even worse then, unless they can bring in more immigrants to work jobs and pay taxes. Because we aren't having enough babies born to replace the baby boomers when they retire since the 1960's thanks to birth control and abortion lowering our population growth.
Plus people are living longer thanks to advanced medicine.I'd suggest buying gold and silver, but gold prices went down recently. It might be smarter to buy weapons, make a bunker with food and water in it and fight off looters when the US economy finally busts and a majority of the people either throw a revolution (ala 1917's Russia Communist Revolution) or become looters trying to steal your things.Democrats and Republicans are puppets for their masters in Europe, and do everything they can to ruin the US economy to build up the EU and replace the dollar with the Euro. It is a Secular Humanist Cabal located in the Netherlands or Belgium that some people call the New World Order or Illuminati. They already control the EU and soon the US. This is just a theory, mind you, but it seems to make sense.
Tampico:
Orion, I agree that individuals have foolishly gone in debt and that the US has been wreckless with debt the last few years. These two things have happened before in US history for various reasons butt his seems different. My point about these people being smart and well educated was that I think this is not all accidents of a stupid government. I think that the wrecking of the dollar is intentional and that Blackhearted Pirate Lee might be right by implying that what they really want is for American people to suffer so much that they start clamoring for the Amero as an alternative. Such a conspiracy meets my criteria for a plausable conspiracy because it would involve a dozen people or fewer.Individuals should pay off credit cards and car loans. Individuals should also plant gardens and get milk producing goats. People should not buy real estate yet and, intead of investing directly in gold or other metals, I think investments in gold and silver mining will be one of the few winners.
Wayne:
I love this group and the wide range of thought.
Blackhearted Pirate Lee:
The Amero is already planned, drawn up, molded and ready for disbursement. Love your green backs. The next money is bland and doesn't work for you. Everything is light compared to the dark that is to beset us.
Wayne:
I am in agreement that as many of us that can should plant Victory Gardens and take other steps to become self-reliant as possible. If the powers that be want to see a civil war the North American Union would do it.
Blackhearted Pirate Lee:
Could this also be called the coming of a once and future Revolutionary war?
Weekly Post #1
Since my computer is jacked up and since I need to free up time for other activities; I have decided to make one major post a week and then try to have a "response post" just before going back on the road to respond to any comments about my main post. I think a single post can suffice in monitoring the Collapse Condition and will be helpful by not "pushing down" the posts of others so that others can start topics and get good discussions going.The three big things on my mind this week include: 1) The Easter KiteDogfight 2) The idiotic behavior of the Federal Reserve and George Bush and whether they are intentionally wrecking the dollar 3) The next Neo-Swashbuckler broadcast.
The kite dogfight will be at Elm Fork Park near Pilot Point. I know I had promised to hold it in Fort Worth, but none of the parks we saw there were suited for the event. From Sanger (I-35) you just go east on 455. 455 is the road that crosses the Lake Ray Roberts Dam. As soon as you pass the dam you will make a right turn (opposite the lake) and follow a winding road down to the parking lot. We will be the group with all the kites. I will be the guy wearing the pith helmet. We will have tons of picnic food and will start the dogfight once everone is finished eating. My best guess is that we will get the kites in the air between 1:15 and 1:30. The food will be ready at noon and there will be traditional and vegetarian foods. By the way, I have already committed to having the 2009 dogfight back in Austin. Everyone is welcome even if you are not a real Neo-Swashbuckler and are actually a Vookuranian spy. In 2007 I actually sent an invitation to Vookuray since we had that event in Houston. Evil kites would only add suspense to the outcome. Of course Vookuray chickened out in 2007, claiming that her car was too unreliable to go from New Orleans to Houston. Iwonder how reliable it will be after I put a footlong tube of sweet tarts in her gas tank?
The US is doomed. I am certain of this now. Most of my economics training is from the early 1970s from Southern Illinois University. I also took one graduate econ class at the University of Missippi and a couple of classes that involved economics at the University of Texas at Arlington. I have never taken classes at Yale or Harvard or Princeton like all of these guys who are currently in charge of the economy. So why can I see that what they are doing is idiotic? Are they just making a series of blunders? Or do they know full well what they are doing and have some secret plan? If I were trying to undermine the US Dollar I could not think of more ways to go about it than Bush. Obama is absolutely right about the Iraq War having a huge impact on the decline of the dollar. We cannot continue throwing away a billion dollars every 2 1/2 days in Iraq. We cannot afford the tax rebates. We cannot afford to bail out Bear Stearnes. We cannot afford to have low prime interest rates and continue to pump money into the economy to avoid a recession. Nobody wants a recession, but as bad as recessions are they are nothing compared to a currency collapse.The dollar has fallen in relation to other currencies before and we have weathered the storm. But, ask yourself this, has the dollar ever been used to buy so many foreign goods? The declining dollar drives up the price of all foreign goods. Go into Wal-Mart and look around for goods made in the US and then consider that even those goods that still are made in the US are often made with materials or components that are foreign. Also, the energy used to make goods in the US is mostly coming from foreign oil. This is the first time that the dollar has tanked in relation to foreign currencies since this whole "global economy" thing started. The Federal Reserve has forgotten its job. It is not the job of the Federal Reserve to keep the economy out of recession. Its their job to protect the dollar's value. They are now giving the economy a dose of cancer to avoid a cold. Gas prices should have never gone up this high during this last bump. There is no strain on supply. Gas prices are not up relative to the Euro or other currencies. Do you know that eggs cost 27% more this Easter than last Easter? Eggs are mostly produced here in the US, but their cost has gone up because of increased energy prices and high feed prices. Why are feed prices high? Feed prices are largely set by energy prices. If the only effect of the declining dollars was on energy prices then that would be enough to cause great problems. If you could just stimulate an economy by printing lots of cheap currency then the countries in South America would all be economicpowerhouses by now.
IMPORTANT: I need callers for the Neo-Swashbuckler broadcast on Easter Sunday at 4:00 PM. I intend the coming broadcast to be a little more goofy than the first two, so callers could call in on a lighthearted topic and not be out of place. Any topic is welcome though. I will suggest topics for callers during the broadcast. I will also discuss the situation with Vookuray's new hackers, plans and ideas for the new site, discuss my new policy of one big post a week and finish discussing the Plan from the perspective of the Drake/Sitton/WayneParty. Naturally, there will be an announcement regarding the outcomeof the kite dogfight.
OTHER THOUGHTS:Any opinions on the flying stingray death in Florida? Stingrays are definately enemies of the Neo-Swashbucklers, but I doubt that getting hit in the face by a 75 pound stingray would be fatal at sailboat speeds. Can you eat stingrays? I'm hearing that there are places off the Keys where the water surface is just covered with stingrays.
I have had two different white guys tell me that if they were black they would riot in Denver if Hillary uses treachery to steal the nomination from Obama if Obama goes into the convention with more elected delegates and a greater popular vote total in the primaries. Idon't see why this is a racial issue. All people should be upset when democracy is thwarted. Maybe there should be a Neo-Swashbuckler riot team in Denver. It would be warm even in Denver in August, but we could sleep in tents and not bake too much up at those altitudes. We could even set up a higher altitude encampment near Denver so we could sleep in comfort during the nights after a hard day of rioting and swilling rum.
The same moderators in the old group will be converted to moderators in this group today as soon as I get a chance. I am slightly reducing the powers of the moderators in case a Vookuranian hacker gets your identity. If she gets mine then we are screwed because I have the "delete group" option.Please also check the Blogspot site on occasion. I will continue to post there and will put my weekly posts there so that people who are not Neo-Swashbucklers can comment. I'm thinking about informing Vookuray about the site so she can get all her hostility out of her system without hijacking people's screennames. My intent of shutting her out of all things Neo-Swashbuckler was that it might eventually lead her to forget about us, but that strategy does not seem to be working. I think she is obsessed for life. I may not stick to my "one post and one reply" policy this weekend because it is a long weekend, we have the broadcast coming up on Sunday and we will have the kite dogfight results to announce. Besides, Ihave not started the novel project yet.
The kite dogfight will be at Elm Fork Park near Pilot Point. I know I had promised to hold it in Fort Worth, but none of the parks we saw there were suited for the event. From Sanger (I-35) you just go east on 455. 455 is the road that crosses the Lake Ray Roberts Dam. As soon as you pass the dam you will make a right turn (opposite the lake) and follow a winding road down to the parking lot. We will be the group with all the kites. I will be the guy wearing the pith helmet. We will have tons of picnic food and will start the dogfight once everone is finished eating. My best guess is that we will get the kites in the air between 1:15 and 1:30. The food will be ready at noon and there will be traditional and vegetarian foods. By the way, I have already committed to having the 2009 dogfight back in Austin. Everyone is welcome even if you are not a real Neo-Swashbuckler and are actually a Vookuranian spy. In 2007 I actually sent an invitation to Vookuray since we had that event in Houston. Evil kites would only add suspense to the outcome. Of course Vookuray chickened out in 2007, claiming that her car was too unreliable to go from New Orleans to Houston. Iwonder how reliable it will be after I put a footlong tube of sweet tarts in her gas tank?
The US is doomed. I am certain of this now. Most of my economics training is from the early 1970s from Southern Illinois University. I also took one graduate econ class at the University of Missippi and a couple of classes that involved economics at the University of Texas at Arlington. I have never taken classes at Yale or Harvard or Princeton like all of these guys who are currently in charge of the economy. So why can I see that what they are doing is idiotic? Are they just making a series of blunders? Or do they know full well what they are doing and have some secret plan? If I were trying to undermine the US Dollar I could not think of more ways to go about it than Bush. Obama is absolutely right about the Iraq War having a huge impact on the decline of the dollar. We cannot continue throwing away a billion dollars every 2 1/2 days in Iraq. We cannot afford the tax rebates. We cannot afford to bail out Bear Stearnes. We cannot afford to have low prime interest rates and continue to pump money into the economy to avoid a recession. Nobody wants a recession, but as bad as recessions are they are nothing compared to a currency collapse.The dollar has fallen in relation to other currencies before and we have weathered the storm. But, ask yourself this, has the dollar ever been used to buy so many foreign goods? The declining dollar drives up the price of all foreign goods. Go into Wal-Mart and look around for goods made in the US and then consider that even those goods that still are made in the US are often made with materials or components that are foreign. Also, the energy used to make goods in the US is mostly coming from foreign oil. This is the first time that the dollar has tanked in relation to foreign currencies since this whole "global economy" thing started. The Federal Reserve has forgotten its job. It is not the job of the Federal Reserve to keep the economy out of recession. Its their job to protect the dollar's value. They are now giving the economy a dose of cancer to avoid a cold. Gas prices should have never gone up this high during this last bump. There is no strain on supply. Gas prices are not up relative to the Euro or other currencies. Do you know that eggs cost 27% more this Easter than last Easter? Eggs are mostly produced here in the US, but their cost has gone up because of increased energy prices and high feed prices. Why are feed prices high? Feed prices are largely set by energy prices. If the only effect of the declining dollars was on energy prices then that would be enough to cause great problems. If you could just stimulate an economy by printing lots of cheap currency then the countries in South America would all be economicpowerhouses by now.
IMPORTANT: I need callers for the Neo-Swashbuckler broadcast on Easter Sunday at 4:00 PM. I intend the coming broadcast to be a little more goofy than the first two, so callers could call in on a lighthearted topic and not be out of place. Any topic is welcome though. I will suggest topics for callers during the broadcast. I will also discuss the situation with Vookuray's new hackers, plans and ideas for the new site, discuss my new policy of one big post a week and finish discussing the Plan from the perspective of the Drake/Sitton/WayneParty. Naturally, there will be an announcement regarding the outcomeof the kite dogfight.
OTHER THOUGHTS:Any opinions on the flying stingray death in Florida? Stingrays are definately enemies of the Neo-Swashbucklers, but I doubt that getting hit in the face by a 75 pound stingray would be fatal at sailboat speeds. Can you eat stingrays? I'm hearing that there are places off the Keys where the water surface is just covered with stingrays.
I have had two different white guys tell me that if they were black they would riot in Denver if Hillary uses treachery to steal the nomination from Obama if Obama goes into the convention with more elected delegates and a greater popular vote total in the primaries. Idon't see why this is a racial issue. All people should be upset when democracy is thwarted. Maybe there should be a Neo-Swashbuckler riot team in Denver. It would be warm even in Denver in August, but we could sleep in tents and not bake too much up at those altitudes. We could even set up a higher altitude encampment near Denver so we could sleep in comfort during the nights after a hard day of rioting and swilling rum.
The same moderators in the old group will be converted to moderators in this group today as soon as I get a chance. I am slightly reducing the powers of the moderators in case a Vookuranian hacker gets your identity. If she gets mine then we are screwed because I have the "delete group" option.Please also check the Blogspot site on occasion. I will continue to post there and will put my weekly posts there so that people who are not Neo-Swashbucklers can comment. I'm thinking about informing Vookuray about the site so she can get all her hostility out of her system without hijacking people's screennames. My intent of shutting her out of all things Neo-Swashbuckler was that it might eventually lead her to forget about us, but that strategy does not seem to be working. I think she is obsessed for life. I may not stick to my "one post and one reply" policy this weekend because it is a long weekend, we have the broadcast coming up on Sunday and we will have the kite dogfight results to announce. Besides, Ihave not started the novel project yet.
Sunday, March 9, 2008
VooDoo Announcement
Every organization of our size should have at least one VooDoo Priestor Priestess.
After much deliberation and hearing voices, I am pleased to announce that Wayne will be the official VooDoo Priest of the Neo-Swashbucklers as long as he lives. Should Wayne be tragically killed during theDrake/Sitton/Wayne Party evacuation then we will expect that Wayne has named a replacement and that person will assume command as Priest or Priestess upon his death. If the Drake/Sitton/Wayne Party is attackedby Vookuranians at Cairo or Memphis or by socialist zombies in Memphis and the results of the battle are unknown then we will assume that Wayne is merely MIA for seven years. If Wayne is not heard from in seven years then we will determine that he was killed and eaten and replace him.The naming of an official VooDoo Priest does not preclude other religious or spiritual leaders from being named official Neo-Swashbuckler representatives of their spiritual systems.
After much deliberation and hearing voices, I am pleased to announce that Wayne will be the official VooDoo Priest of the Neo-Swashbucklers as long as he lives. Should Wayne be tragically killed during theDrake/Sitton/Wayne Party evacuation then we will expect that Wayne has named a replacement and that person will assume command as Priest or Priestess upon his death. If the Drake/Sitton/Wayne Party is attackedby Vookuranians at Cairo or Memphis or by socialist zombies in Memphis and the results of the battle are unknown then we will assume that Wayne is merely MIA for seven years. If Wayne is not heard from in seven years then we will determine that he was killed and eaten and replace him.The naming of an official VooDoo Priest does not preclude other religious or spiritual leaders from being named official Neo-Swashbuckler representatives of their spiritual systems.
Friday, February 29, 2008
Pirate Ronald o Free State/Ron Paul
Tampico:
"By the way, Pirate Ronald, how is the Free State project coming? Ihave not been keeping up with news on that lately."
Pirate Ronald:
Me, too. I've been very busy and got behind on our group posts.That is temporary. I always catch back up. Answering this gives me the opportunity to put it with many other things into perspective as it concerns us.It's a great concept! It is working and it could achieve the goals,but I expected New Hampshire to demonstrate that the Free State Project would have done very well by getting much more votes for Ron Paul because I can see the influence just one of me has on local Utah elections and I had expected exponential improvement with greater numbers instead of diminishing returns. Maybe when there are few, the political forces don't organize well to counter. Perhaps a few can convince those who can be convinced and more don't make that much more of a difference other than to concentrate more votes in an area. There are other factors. Perhaps it is an exponential rate that society becomes dumbed down and trusts government and media to tell them what to not think, but what to believe.I imagined that it would be much more powerful than demonstrated with all of the like minded political activists concentrated into one state. It is a great concept and will in time work except we are rapidly running out of time for anything to work except for the average people trusting of media and government to wake up and not be zombies in that sense of the word for them and most of the rest of the population to not become zombies in the other sense of the word that I more often use to describe the desperate seeking to take essentials of life from the prepared as we can only imagine* at this point.
I have a plan of political activism in the works that will greatly empower the Ron Paul supporters that are now in great numbers in every state to become highly effective. It isn't over. With Ron Paul as President, we would still have to win Congress in the same November general election by electing Ron Paul supporters to be our public servants. We will still do that. All is not as it seems nor will it remain the same. There will be problems with the media so called top tier candidates who even lie that Ron Paul is no longer in the race when it is all he and his supporters can do to insist that they will never give up. Add to the mix the start of The Great Collapse and the ordinary people who tell me not to bother them with politics will then become very interested and ask: "Why don't I have a job or food to eat?!" OR worse: "Why doI have three jobs and that is insufficient to be able to buy enough food to not see my family starve before my eyes!?"Then they will learn that Ron Paul had it right all along. For those who are new among us,* become proficient at resolving zombie ambiguity of the two different uses of the word by visualizing the zombie movies where the zombies move rather clumsy and slow, yet persistently after healthy people. It will be similar amidst The Great Collapse as starvation, injury and disease impede the physical and mental effectiveness of those who are otherwise productive members of society as normal capable and loving people, yet when motivated out of love and guilt in their continued desire to provide for their loved ones they see miserably perishing in their care, then they would be similarly dangerous and numerous and pervasive as in the zombie movies except for being real people presenting moral issues defending from them because like in the zombie movies, reason wouldn't stop them as they are dying anyway. No, not just similar,but the collapse behaviour of people will be exactly like in the zombie movies except that you can't just turn it off, so study them well.For moral reasons, it would be best to in advance, if possible, just sail away, as zombies don't swim well and will not be having a good time of it enough to master longer range strategy other than brief acts of desperation instead of sailing and longer range plans that fit with productivity and preparedness. There will be those few that do, but they are not zombies. Further understanding can be found *bysearching our archives for zombies and watching zombie movies. It will be sad to turn away from them as they are the people we see today in society, but they, like in the zombie movies, will be too numerous to help and so numerous they will be dangerous.
Which brings us back to the beginning of the subject of political activism and this is why I am so motivated to do my part and all that I can to prevent the tragedy they insist on bringing upon themselves with their votes and their failure to head our Founding Fathers'admonition to be ever vigilant.Though it will sadden me to sail away from them, I will do it with love in my heart for those I can help after those times when only the survivors remain in the aftermath of a destined-to-fail-overwhelmingly-powerful-at-first-global-governance. The strategy here is to be prepared to outlive it outside of society and without dependence on society to plant the seeds of freedom where freedom can thrive.This will be quite a challenge, so pray and prepare to do your part.Eat nutritiously and become as healthy as possible and become very prepared with supplies and skills and healthy living and mental attitudes.
"By the way, Pirate Ronald, how is the Free State project coming? Ihave not been keeping up with news on that lately."
Pirate Ronald:
Me, too. I've been very busy and got behind on our group posts.That is temporary. I always catch back up. Answering this gives me the opportunity to put it with many other things into perspective as it concerns us.It's a great concept! It is working and it could achieve the goals,but I expected New Hampshire to demonstrate that the Free State Project would have done very well by getting much more votes for Ron Paul because I can see the influence just one of me has on local Utah elections and I had expected exponential improvement with greater numbers instead of diminishing returns. Maybe when there are few, the political forces don't organize well to counter. Perhaps a few can convince those who can be convinced and more don't make that much more of a difference other than to concentrate more votes in an area. There are other factors. Perhaps it is an exponential rate that society becomes dumbed down and trusts government and media to tell them what to not think, but what to believe.I imagined that it would be much more powerful than demonstrated with all of the like minded political activists concentrated into one state. It is a great concept and will in time work except we are rapidly running out of time for anything to work except for the average people trusting of media and government to wake up and not be zombies in that sense of the word for them and most of the rest of the population to not become zombies in the other sense of the word that I more often use to describe the desperate seeking to take essentials of life from the prepared as we can only imagine* at this point.
I have a plan of political activism in the works that will greatly empower the Ron Paul supporters that are now in great numbers in every state to become highly effective. It isn't over. With Ron Paul as President, we would still have to win Congress in the same November general election by electing Ron Paul supporters to be our public servants. We will still do that. All is not as it seems nor will it remain the same. There will be problems with the media so called top tier candidates who even lie that Ron Paul is no longer in the race when it is all he and his supporters can do to insist that they will never give up. Add to the mix the start of The Great Collapse and the ordinary people who tell me not to bother them with politics will then become very interested and ask: "Why don't I have a job or food to eat?!" OR worse: "Why doI have three jobs and that is insufficient to be able to buy enough food to not see my family starve before my eyes!?"Then they will learn that Ron Paul had it right all along. For those who are new among us,* become proficient at resolving zombie ambiguity of the two different uses of the word by visualizing the zombie movies where the zombies move rather clumsy and slow, yet persistently after healthy people. It will be similar amidst The Great Collapse as starvation, injury and disease impede the physical and mental effectiveness of those who are otherwise productive members of society as normal capable and loving people, yet when motivated out of love and guilt in their continued desire to provide for their loved ones they see miserably perishing in their care, then they would be similarly dangerous and numerous and pervasive as in the zombie movies except for being real people presenting moral issues defending from them because like in the zombie movies, reason wouldn't stop them as they are dying anyway. No, not just similar,but the collapse behaviour of people will be exactly like in the zombie movies except that you can't just turn it off, so study them well.For moral reasons, it would be best to in advance, if possible, just sail away, as zombies don't swim well and will not be having a good time of it enough to master longer range strategy other than brief acts of desperation instead of sailing and longer range plans that fit with productivity and preparedness. There will be those few that do, but they are not zombies. Further understanding can be found *bysearching our archives for zombies and watching zombie movies. It will be sad to turn away from them as they are the people we see today in society, but they, like in the zombie movies, will be too numerous to help and so numerous they will be dangerous.
Which brings us back to the beginning of the subject of political activism and this is why I am so motivated to do my part and all that I can to prevent the tragedy they insist on bringing upon themselves with their votes and their failure to head our Founding Fathers'admonition to be ever vigilant.Though it will sadden me to sail away from them, I will do it with love in my heart for those I can help after those times when only the survivors remain in the aftermath of a destined-to-fail-overwhelmingly-powerful-at-first-global-governance. The strategy here is to be prepared to outlive it outside of society and without dependence on society to plant the seeds of freedom where freedom can thrive.This will be quite a challenge, so pray and prepare to do your part.Eat nutritiously and become as healthy as possible and become very prepared with supplies and skills and healthy living and mental attitudes.
Sunday, February 24, 2008
Sling Shots and Long Bows (Discussion from June 20 and 21, 2006)
Tampico:
Any thoughts on sling shots?I have sling shots on my mind this morning for reasons that I don'thave time to explain, but I would be interested in hearing any slingshot stories or thoughts.I am not thinking of sling shots as a replacement for hand made longbows, by the way.
Black Bart Moon:
Actually, If you had the materials readily available, sling shots would be the weapon of choice. Your reference to a long bow vs a sling shot is kinda like a reference to a Winchester lever action rifle vs a colt 45. It is not a matter of one vs the other but both.
The sling shot would be the weapon for small game and rapid fire defense.
Of course, in the area of defense, should your forecast ever come to fruition, modern firearms would rule for some years to come. A think a viable defense strategy would be to immediately acquire firearms and material but avoid using them. Use items such as your bow and sling shot for day to day survival.
Industrial grade bungee cord should be on your list of items to acquire.
Wayne:
Slings in the hands of a trained user can hit man size targets at 200' and with an 2 Oz stone kill. Think David. In fact the Greeks liked slinger more then bows.
Long bows will out perform a sling but takes years of training.
Check this
http://www.slinging.org/
Black Bart Moon:
Slings are definitely proven but it takes a lot less skill to use a modern day sling shot and they are effective.
Wayne:
Right about that. I have shot more then one drug dealer with a Cat's Eye at 100' which gets them going.
Tampico:
Good points and nice link, Wayne. I do think that I would have better luck getting good with a modern sling, however, and I feel like I could use it to hunt squirrels with ball bearings. I also think I could regulate the speed on a modern one better -- so as not to seriously hurt the dogs.I also have a problem with keeping my rifle out near the back door because we still have underage members of the household. Consequently,when a coyote is spotted I never have a rifle handy. I'll bet that I could bump off a coyote with a sling shot.
One thing I probably would not do is use a sling shot on a drugdealer. What were the circumstances of that Wayne? We can't afford to lose you before the Collapse.
Poppyuncut:
WHY NOT? (Use a sling shot on a drug dealer) I SURE WOULD. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WAYNE IS JUST BEING A GOOD, REAL-LIVE PIRATE. KEEP IT UP WAYNE. YOU HAVE MY COMPLETE SUPPORT.
Tampico:
Wayne has my support too, because he is a brave Neo-Swashbuckler, but I contend that you should never go into a battle under-armed unless you have some element of surprise or something else that would tip the advantage in your favor. That is why I asked what the circumstances were.
Brian Provost (modern pirate):
hmm sling shots, will let me say this not be......will thousands of years ago, but i guess whatever me myself perfers good old swords, for i got plenty of them as wella compound bow - silent but deadly…
Poppyuncut:
“right about that. I have shot more then one drug dealer with a Cat'sEye at 100' gets them goingWayne
LOL. WAY TO GO WAYNE! MY KIND OF FELLA!
Tampico:
Great to hear from you Black Bart. Hope things are going well in Arkansas and with the baby.My main motivation for getting a sling shot was not survival related. There are two dogs next door and the owner is too lazy to keep the fence in repair so the dogs come out and attack my photenias. I don't think the dogs are anti-photenia, its just that I am running a soaker hose on the new photenias (8 are new, 22 are established) and the dogs are attracted to the water. I wish I could zip a few shots off at the owner, but I'm thinking about pelting the dogs just to run them off. I would use marbles as shot and not shoot at anywhere near a lethal velocity.I tried reasoning with the guy (yelling across the fence) but he just sends one of his poor kids to recover the dogs and puts them right back in the unsecured yard.
Black Bart:
This does indeed sound like a perfect use for the sling shot.
Incidentally, someone from the University from Texas is here looking for the Ivory Bill. Apparently, I am not the only one who is seeing things.
Wayne:
About a near my home there was an old dead end (Now The Pancho Villa Victory Garden) Drug dealers and hookers would ply their trade. I would go along the woodbine to about 50' 100' and send off a few cat eyes in to the crowd of dealers. First few times some of them would talk shit and pull guns that got a 911 call to the police would who come and search the dealers most felons with firearms after about 4 months and the City letting the block watch group turn the dead end into a Garden the drug dealers moved some place else.
Note never shot at Hookers they were at least runing the worlds oldest business. The Mexicans loved calling the police on the guns Racine had a program where you got $50 for each firearm seized in a drug bust .
I love legal Mexicans
Wayne:
I would have felt bad if I had missed a hurt someone else and there was a chance (small) they would have found out who it was. I could not do it all the time or after dark with no or little moon light.
Also I needed the help of others I am very glad they are gone - the Garden is so much nicer.
Any thoughts on sling shots?I have sling shots on my mind this morning for reasons that I don'thave time to explain, but I would be interested in hearing any slingshot stories or thoughts.I am not thinking of sling shots as a replacement for hand made longbows, by the way.
Black Bart Moon:
Actually, If you had the materials readily available, sling shots would be the weapon of choice. Your reference to a long bow vs a sling shot is kinda like a reference to a Winchester lever action rifle vs a colt 45. It is not a matter of one vs the other but both.
The sling shot would be the weapon for small game and rapid fire defense.
Of course, in the area of defense, should your forecast ever come to fruition, modern firearms would rule for some years to come. A think a viable defense strategy would be to immediately acquire firearms and material but avoid using them. Use items such as your bow and sling shot for day to day survival.
Industrial grade bungee cord should be on your list of items to acquire.
Wayne:
Slings in the hands of a trained user can hit man size targets at 200' and with an 2 Oz stone kill. Think David. In fact the Greeks liked slinger more then bows.
Long bows will out perform a sling but takes years of training.
Check this
http://www.slinging.org/
Black Bart Moon:
Slings are definitely proven but it takes a lot less skill to use a modern day sling shot and they are effective.
Wayne:
Right about that. I have shot more then one drug dealer with a Cat's Eye at 100' which gets them going.
Tampico:
Good points and nice link, Wayne. I do think that I would have better luck getting good with a modern sling, however, and I feel like I could use it to hunt squirrels with ball bearings. I also think I could regulate the speed on a modern one better -- so as not to seriously hurt the dogs.I also have a problem with keeping my rifle out near the back door because we still have underage members of the household. Consequently,when a coyote is spotted I never have a rifle handy. I'll bet that I could bump off a coyote with a sling shot.
One thing I probably would not do is use a sling shot on a drugdealer. What were the circumstances of that Wayne? We can't afford to lose you before the Collapse.
Poppyuncut:
WHY NOT? (Use a sling shot on a drug dealer) I SURE WOULD. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WAYNE IS JUST BEING A GOOD, REAL-LIVE PIRATE. KEEP IT UP WAYNE. YOU HAVE MY COMPLETE SUPPORT.
Tampico:
Wayne has my support too, because he is a brave Neo-Swashbuckler, but I contend that you should never go into a battle under-armed unless you have some element of surprise or something else that would tip the advantage in your favor. That is why I asked what the circumstances were.
Brian Provost (modern pirate):
hmm sling shots, will let me say this not be......will thousands of years ago, but i guess whatever me myself perfers good old swords, for i got plenty of them as wella compound bow - silent but deadly…
Poppyuncut:
“right about that. I have shot more then one drug dealer with a Cat'sEye at 100' gets them goingWayne
LOL. WAY TO GO WAYNE! MY KIND OF FELLA!
Tampico:
Great to hear from you Black Bart. Hope things are going well in Arkansas and with the baby.My main motivation for getting a sling shot was not survival related. There are two dogs next door and the owner is too lazy to keep the fence in repair so the dogs come out and attack my photenias. I don't think the dogs are anti-photenia, its just that I am running a soaker hose on the new photenias (8 are new, 22 are established) and the dogs are attracted to the water. I wish I could zip a few shots off at the owner, but I'm thinking about pelting the dogs just to run them off. I would use marbles as shot and not shoot at anywhere near a lethal velocity.I tried reasoning with the guy (yelling across the fence) but he just sends one of his poor kids to recover the dogs and puts them right back in the unsecured yard.
Black Bart:
This does indeed sound like a perfect use for the sling shot.
Incidentally, someone from the University from Texas is here looking for the Ivory Bill. Apparently, I am not the only one who is seeing things.
Wayne:
About a near my home there was an old dead end (Now The Pancho Villa Victory Garden) Drug dealers and hookers would ply their trade. I would go along the woodbine to about 50' 100' and send off a few cat eyes in to the crowd of dealers. First few times some of them would talk shit and pull guns that got a 911 call to the police would who come and search the dealers most felons with firearms after about 4 months and the City letting the block watch group turn the dead end into a Garden the drug dealers moved some place else.
Note never shot at Hookers they were at least runing the worlds oldest business. The Mexicans loved calling the police on the guns Racine had a program where you got $50 for each firearm seized in a drug bust .
I love legal Mexicans
Wayne:
I would have felt bad if I had missed a hurt someone else and there was a chance (small) they would have found out who it was. I could not do it all the time or after dark with no or little moon light.
Also I needed the help of others I am very glad they are gone - the Garden is so much nicer.
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